Supermarkets and face masks- it is being reported by the Metro that many of them won't challenge as to why some customers aren't wearing them

Sainsburys

Lidl

Waitrose 

Tescos

Seems sensible given there are a few exemptions , which don't require you to wear them for genuine reasons.. I have my card exemption card already printed , attached to a Lanyard 

The law is opt in

Opt in if u want otherwise opt out

Challenging people for not wearing a mask could amount to indirect discrimination under the EA. No business wants that all over twitter. 

If it causes extreme distress you don't have to wear one

And that's not a medical condition measure it's up to you

Basically both shops and police have said they won’t enforce it. So by the middle of next week there’ll be widespread non compliance. Waterstones have put up these sad little a4 ntices

Note you can go in without a mask to buy one seemingly....

Hello lawyers

How tf would you enforce it?

It's a tax on people too stupid to say "I am exempt, constable"

Stixta, no, I will not be . I  have moderately severe asthma. In addition I have been blacking out for over a year on an intermittent basis , with severe headaches for almost a year resulting in MRI scans only in the last 24 hours in an effort to determine the issue.

 

If that makes me a wanker so be it

Challenging people for not wearing a mask could amount to indirect discrimination under the EA. 
 

cant believe this is right (though would be interested to see it tested). because they were refusing services to someone who was not wearing a mask bc of a disability? or just for the challenge by staff (if mandated by the employer)?

surely there would be an obligation on the employer to ensure any disabled employee with eg a heart condition wasn’t put at risk, and make necessary adjustments if so?

Clergham, in fairness I am genuinely against those playing the exempt card unless there is a genuine reason ( medical) to do so.

 

My asthma results in an A&E visit once a tear at least, I am claustraphophbic ( medically confirmed)

People gaming the system I am not keen on. Lastly severe stress can be ascribed by  an appropiate  Dr , it is not subjective.

It's a tax on people too stupid to say "I am exempt, constable"
 

what, a “tax” (it’s not) on people willing to pretend they have a disability when they don’t?

ok well done - that is possible

will look for u at the asda disabled parking spaces 

Presume, given your medical condition, you've discussed this with your doctor? Do they give you medical exemption letters or something to avoid unnecessary confrontations?

Also poss a hate crime, hoolz

ha! didn’t see this 

ffs

jokers

the number of people lying about having a medical exemption to avoid wearing a mask will be insignificant 

Jelly, yes I have discussed it with my Dr. And no they do not give exemption letters, they tell me it is not required. 

I carry my daily asthma med, my scripts, and the card, I am told that is more than suffice. 

Ebitda the law exempts people who find it distressing

Tough shit if you're against that no offence

You don't need a medical exemption, chimp

You have at need to find it severely distressing

ok - the number of people saying they find it “severely distressing” will be insignificant 

Like I say

You don't need to pretend anything

You just need to ask yourself do I find this severely distressing

If yes

Exempt

I think you're wrong tbh

Probably about 20%

I mean it doesn't matter anyway because as the Government says

most people don’t care even 1/100th as much as you do

People who wear masks = big fannies

People who self-certify to be so severely distressed they are unable to wear mask = not big fannies. 

 

All clear? Gr8 

Most people do care about being forced to cover their breathing holes

If they didn't they'd have been doing it today

doing anything about covid = absolutely huge fannies

complaining constantly about people doing anything about covid = stout yeoman inheritor of the true human spirit

Most people do care about being forced to cover their breathing holes
 

loads of people are wearing masks already

Clergham as I alluded to earlier a sufficiently experienced Dr can say" she /he presented today with X, they were moderately/severely or not stressed at all"

It is a medical diagonisis . If I presnt with " severe " pain on a scale of ten does the Dr morphine me up to the max because I say I am massively in pain??

 

Clerg, you said you wear masks on the train sometimes though...

Indeed, but now she'll deny it. Severe distress  atWaitrose, but n/a on the bus. 

Ebitda no

I have never worn a mask

I said sometimes I travel by train

Which is an exception to the boycott

But I am mask free when I do

Some people are

Most people aren't

Oh dear I just walked past a lad pissing in the street

Edinburgh tonight is making a good joke of masks in Tesco 

Re the asthma, my o/h has reasonably bad. Not been hospitalised in years but has been previously. She is v keen on wearing a mask (and will make sure there's an inhaler to hand) as the risk of catching it is worse than the risk of having to de-mask in a shop and use an inhaler. 

Ipsos mori reporting high levels Of support for mask wearing tonight. Compliance will be what it will be. Government has been surprised at wider compliance to date.

clergham check your historical posts . That said I shal wear one until I am genuinely uncomfortable. Yesterday I had a couple of MRI scans, wgilst waiting and filling out a tonne of forms I did feel genuine discomfort after 30 minutes, so I slipped it off for a bit.

 

Clergs why don't you do the same?

What Chimp  said most folks will comply

You might tell your "oh" that masks definitely won't stop her catching it

yeah - I’m not sure I fully understand why asthma should prevent you from wearing a mask - though I don’t think it really matters that much either way tbh

Ebitda I don't need to check

I have been on a few trains including to the dread England

I don't have a mask

 

clearly if you feel that your breathing is constricted and it may trigger asthma then probably not worth it but quite personal I think

It absolutely doesn't matter either way

But some people will be criminalised over the next few months for being too uninformed to say "I am exempt"

 

tbh if I was in a shop and I thought masks weren’t being enforced properly (not one or two people, but generally) i would have no problem leaving and writing an email to the company explaining why I wouldn’t shop there again 

they are endangering all of us 

Well they will bin your letter because lots of people are exempt

if enough people do it clergs the shops will have to crack down

capitalism

what’s the actual legal position? will there be criminal prosecution for not wearing a mask

I wonder whether this will become a thing and we'll mask up in winter for flu? 

 

not criminalised - they will understand more people will leave shops if people are without masks than if they mandate masks

no shoes no shirt no service

theyre private companies at the end of the day

Yeah except they won't because they'll be sued for.listening to you plus nornal folk don't want masks and normal folk are the ones likely to go to shops

If you help someone pay for their next holiday by encouraging a shop to refuse them service I suppose they won't complain

 

There's a fine. Clergham knows her rights tho.  Do they have magistrates in Scotland?

Pingu the legislation creates a criminal penalty

You obviously can't grasp the concept so don't try

I know how to not be fined

Sadly lots of young people won't know

Fixed penalty. Might go on a PNC depending on local policy and So might appear on an enhanced Disclosure request but unlikely. Pay within time and no record

You can get FPNs for all sort of stuff so no different to that 

I wonder when was the last time someone used “folk” while NOT attempting to invoke the idea that they are speaking on behalf of the salt of the earth common man

Yeah, sorry

Normal folk don't want to wear a talisman over their mouth for the "reassurance" of lunatics

And lunatics will be TOO AFRAID anyway

There seem to be more refusers in England than Scotland 

Yeah except they won't because they'll be sued for.listening to you plus nornal folk don't want masks and normal folk are the ones likely to go to shops
 

what?

i will send an email to Waterstones saying “I would have loved to browse but many of your patrons weren’t wearing masks, and your employees didn’t seem to care. I felt unsafe. I am going to buy from amazon for the near future - please let me know if you change your policies, I love your stores ? “

I also have claustrohobia ( diagnosed) as I say I wear them until I feel uncomfortable then do not. My GP and consultant have both said wearing masks can trigger uncomfotableness ( is that a word !!?" 

Given I have been less than 20 mins away from certain death with Asthma attacks in the past 9 years, I have been told to err on the side of caution. They make me feel uncomfy though. When I go to the supermarket to buy food, I dont wana shop, and queue for 30 mins whilst some biddy queuing for ages arrives the counter and then fishes for her card for 5 mins, folloed by 3 attempts to remeber  her pin number.

I will try, Clerg wont it seems

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Summary they do make me fe

Yeah you have grasped and dismissed something that will preclude low earners from employment

Bet you're in ALL the diversity networks at work

Let's really include people!!

Not THOSE people they didn't play along with the bullshit and had no advice

Yeah you have grasped and dismissed something that will preclude low earners from employment

Bet you're in ALL the diversity networks at work

Let's really include people!!

Not THOSE people they didn't play along with the bullshit and had no advice

the world doesn’t divide into normal folk who hate anti-covid measures and lunatics who love anti-covid measures like u seem to believe 

Ebitda if you try I think you're a genuine moron

Government advice (current advice) says they make no real difference and you didn't by have to

What a fud to do it anyway

*Breathes deeply on bus*

*law

Yes

Team sane

I mean by all means pack on the face nappy 

But you look stupid and you're still going to get covid

 

Yeah because you're middle class and it won't be your family members who have their lives ruined over made up bullshit

TBF, I estimate over half of the people where I live are routinely wearing masks.

It is highly unlikely that anyone’s life is going to be ruined by getting a FPN in these circumstances. You’ve lost all rationale thought about this. And pitching yourself as a defender of the poor and vulnerable comes across as a bit unseemly tbh.

Yeah but you said yourself you live in ancient toolville

Like I say, do it if you want but it's mental 

Pingu if a 20 year old man with no income gets a fine what happens to him

The science is so poor it’s a daft policy.

I don't think it's bad science. The cross-sectional studies on the efficacy of mask use are quite compelling in reducing transmission. 

It's not bad science, it's just bad policy. 

 

And absolutely fuck you

No one is defending the basic rights that exist for everyone but are especially needed by the poor

This country is a shithole designed for middle aged daily mail types who pretend to look down on the daily mail

You are a man saying you think it's fine for people who don't know that you can just decide to be exempt to be fined

That is your sense of justice

Pinkus, there are plenty of studies that say it doesn't stop transmission. Hence the Government saying it doesn't stop transmission on their website.

You get 28 days to pay. If you pay within 14 days it halves.

If you don’t pay you go to court.

I understand where you are going with this but it’s no different to lots of other fines that are out there. Many I frankly disagree with as I see local authorities make a mint out of them (Leeds do a regular sting on dropped fag ends). But the law is the law

the science might be poor, bit it is the law. There is no reason why i cannot do 100 on the M4 at 4 am, apart from the law, so I oblige in the main.

Clergham hust don't wear one then and respect those that chose to wear one.

If you have no money how do you pay

And how much do you think the Venn diagram of people who can't pay and people who don't know to say they are exempt overlaps

It's different from other fines because other fines make sense

This one is total bullshit

I’m saying nowt of the sort clergs. My not arsed comment was I’m not arsed about wearing one.

Ebitda sorry I can't respect you, it's idiotic

I wouldn't mock you u if I saw you

Which is more than can be said of mask vigilantes unfortunately

You're not arsed about the system that requires it

That is evident

Pinkus, there are plenty of studies that say it doesn't stop transmission

And plenty that says it does. And the cross sectional studies come down in favour of 'does'. 

As I say, it doesn't mean it's good policy. 

clergs 

i assume you have had nobody close to you die from this virus (that is good luck well done) and so are happy to go off on one over and over again about wearing a fvcking mask

shut up now it is getting stupid

just wear the fvcking mask

jesus

 

If they did, the Government advice would be "evidence clearly shows"

Government advice is that evidence doesn't show

And it really doesn't

Bear in mind a lot of the studies are politically biased, esp the American ones.

And the who admitted they wouldn't have changed advice if hadn't been for political lobbying

sorry clergs that was a bit unfair it just drives me up the wall

time to take a break from rof for a bit I think

Governments get elected to do stuff. If people don’t like what they do then they vote something else in. If you feel so strongly about it then do something about it. Find a willing partner and crowdfund a JR or something.  

I'll know many who die from the restrictions by the end, as will we all

But probably no one who died from covid

And nah

Masks are ridiculous

But probably no one who died from covid
 

lucky you

I don't need to jr I just need to educate folk that this is optional

Fair enough, I'm not going to argue the point.

Truth is we'll never get a conclusion on it as there will never be a strong enough correlation between mask usage and infection rates that couldn't just as adequately be described by several different other causes. 

It’s not “optional”:

Reasonable excuse

4.—(1) For the purposes of regulation 3(1), the circumstances in which a person (“P”) has a reasonable excuse include those where—

(a)P cannot put on, wear or remove a face covering—

(i)because of any physical or mental illness or impairment, or disability (within the meaning of section 6 of the Equality Act 2010(1)), or

(ii)without severe distress;

I'll know many who die from the restrictions by the end, as will we all
 

really? we will all know many who will die from the restrictions?

Good for you clergs. More power to your elbow

has it ever occurred to you that you’ve completely departed from reality on this topic?